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Info-Mac Digest             Sat,  8 May 93       Volume 11 : Issue 97

Today's Topics:

      [*] LogoMation 1.0.1
      [*] MACSIG from Central Point Software
      [*] PICTshow15.hqx
      [*] Quicktime 1.6
      [*] theTypebook 3.2.4
      [*] Trawl 1.01 (Network Management Utility)
      !HELP--my SE/30 won't work!---a happy ending (long)
      2MB SIMMs in a IIci -- any problems
      A few Sys. 7.2 suggestions... (C)
      Apple Centris 650 Memory SIMMs?
      A question about the C650?
      Arabic Word Processors (Q)
      BRIDGE by Artworx - Experience???
      c.s.m.announce archive--where? (Q)
      Can't we keep it clean?
      CD-ROM as audio CD players
      CD-ROM player vs. Audio CD player (c)
      Color Inkjet Refill Works
      E-mail directory
      Ethernetlet (No flame)
      Ethernet Problem w/ PowerBook Duos
      Fax number of ADPA (Q)
      Home printers: color or B/W?  (summary)
      HyperCard->network
      INFO on QUICKTIME, please
      Limbaugh.hqx (a proposal)
      LOGO for the Mac (R)
      MacLink Plus file conversions
      Macsbug (Q)
      MacSecure is not Secure
      MacTCP problems with new Ma (2 msgs)
      MacTools Secure 1.2
      MHS mail client needed (Q)
      NeXT-style Application Doc (A)
      Nisus Demo
      Portable Screen (Q)
      Punjabi font source(s)?
      Racal InterLan EtherTalk driver for System 7.0 (A)
      SIMM chips (C)
      TCP/IP (C)
      Toner cartridge quality
      venic truetype font

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Date: Thu, 6 May 93 11:01:00 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] LogoMation 1.0.1

LogoMation
 ---------

LogoMation is a programming environment for people, young and not so young,
doing their first steps in programming.  It introduces the concepts of
programming and program design through a programming language that supports
advanced graphics, animation and sound.  LogoMation was created by a
dedicated team of an old time computer hacker, signed below, and his nine
years old son.

LogoMation runs on Macintosh computers equipped with a 68020 processor or
better, system 7.0 or better, and color QuickDraw (note that it does not
*have* to be a color mac, although it's a lot more fun in color).

LogoMation is *not* the traditional Logo language, although like Logo it
supports the notion of turtle graphics, and is easy enough to be used even
by very young users.  LogoMation was designed to be forgiving, yet
powerful.

LogoMation is an open language; You can use its powerful and simple syntax
to create colorful pictures or you can import pictures created by any
other drawing tools on the Mac and then tell LogoMation to move them
around.  Likewise, you can use LogoMation to record sounds and use them in
sync with the animation, or alternatively import sounds from other Mac
files.

LogoMation  features
 * Turtle graphics, e.g. Forward and Left commands.  Straight and Circle
   movement modes.
 * Full 24-bit color graphics; variable width lines, fill patterns.
 * Unlimited number of named pens ("turtles").
 * Full Mac text support, including fonts, sizes and style.
 * Easy definition of named pictures, simply by preceding a group of
   LogoMation statements by the Picture command.  Pictures can also be
   imported from any other graphics tools.
 * Animation is easily programmed by moving pictures at varying speeds and
   along straight and arbitrarily curved paths.
 * Sounds can be recorded and used during animation, in either sync or
   async mode.
 * Library of built-in functions for math, string manipulation, and I/O.
 * WYSIWYG indentation (i.e. compound statements are defined through
   indentation).
 * Language-oriented text editor with automatic indentation and with
   automatic completion of abbreviated commands.
 * Automatic, declaration free data structures: numbers, strings,
   sequential arrays and associative arrays.

Many thanks to my friend Etan Rozin for the lovely About Box.

Chuck Shavit
1 Seaborn Place
Lexington, MA 02173
U.S.A
email: [e-mail]

 ------
Rev history:

   1.0.1 - 5/6/93
       Politely inform users of unsutable platforms (see above) that
       LogoMation cannot run on their machines.  Version 1.0 was
       sometimes unkind to those users.

   1.0   - 4/24/93
       First public version.

[Archived as /info-mac/app/logo-mation-101.hqx; 712K]

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Date: 06 May 93 15:37:55 EDT
From: Larry Beck <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] MACSIG from Central Point Software

This file is a self-extracting archive that contains a ReadMe file with
further
instructions. It also contains the new INIT M virus signature as well as other
virus signatures back to July 1992.  This file updates Central Point
Anti-Virus for the Macintosh.

[Archived as /info-mac/virus/cp-anti-virus-init-m.hqx; 24K]

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Date: Thu, 6 May 93 11:45:17 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] PICTshow15.hqx

PICTshow a small slideshow program for viewing PICT-files, listening to
sounds and viewing QT-Movies on a color-capable Macintosh.

Versions >= 1.1 require System 7.0 (Please contact me for version 1.0)

Changes in version 1.5 :

- Added preview window, that contains the QT-Preview of the selected
  picture. The window is resizeable.
- Added menu for printing all previews (30-40 previews / page)
  Works in color on Color Printers. (Looks great on the HP550C!!)
- When movies are played, +/- keys change the sound volume.
  Mouse button aborts current movie.
- Added balloon help

Oliver Dreer
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/app/pict-show-15.hqx; 33K]

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Date: Sat, 08 May 1993 02:18:08 EDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: [*] Quicktime 1.6

This is a Stuffit-compressed archive of the Quicktime 1.6
extension, Apple's standard for video on the Mac.  Now only
takes 20K of RAM when not actually being used.  Uploaded from
BMUG Boston.

Darin Takemoto
[e-mail]

[Archived as /info-mac/ex/quicktime-16.hqx; 555K]

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 11:32:13 -0400 (EDT)
From: Ephraim Fithian <[e-mail]>
Subject: [*] theTypebook 3.2.4

--44205-1845585447-736702964:#6136
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII

This is a newer version of theTypebook than the recently posted 3.0.8. I
picked it up from mac.archive.umich.edu. It is freeware but can be
customized for $45 from the author at
    Jim Lewis - Golden State Graphics
    2137 Candis Av.
    Santa Ana, CA 92706
    [phone]
    CIS: 71650,2373
    AOL: JimXLewis
I have used this to make displays of fonts for students to use in a
graphic design course. High quality.

Ephraim Fithian
Kutztown University of PA

[Archived as /info-mac/app/type-book-324.hqx; 187K]

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Date: Thu, 6 May 93 18:40:50 EST
From: [e-mail] (Michael Lowe)
Subject: [*] Trawl 1.01 (Network Management Utility)

Trawl allows a network manager to selectively scan an AppleTalk internet
and produce a pictorial view of the network with the devices and services
found represented as icons.  From this display, which is similar to the
Finder's display of files, further information may be obtained about
specific devices by selecting the desired icons and choosing an action
through the available menus.  Furthermore, the data obtained through the
network scan may be exported to other programs for further use either as a
pictorial view of the network or as textual data.

Thanks for the mail you've all sent regarding the first realease of Trawl!
Unfortunately though, I've had difficulties receiving it, since the mailing
daemons on the UNIX machine I gave as my address (acacia.ccsd.uts.edu.au)
seem to have been crashing constantly for the past few weeks.  I've been
told that it will fixed this coming Saturday (8th May).  As of today I have
replied to every message that has made it to me, so if you have sent
something but have not received a reply, please don't thing me rude -
either I haven't received your mail, or my reply hasn't made it past those
nasty daemons.

Trawl requires System 7

Version 1.01
============
- Fixed a build problem that caused certain Macs to crash either with
'Illegal Instruction' or 'Address Error'
- Added printing of both the icon and zone views
- Windows now remember their positions across 'quits'
- Expanded the list of available PICT and Text creator types

[Archived as /info-mac/comm/trawl-101.hqx; 97K]

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 04:58:13 -0700 (PDT)
From: John Thoo <[e-mail]>
Subject: !HELP--my SE/30 won't work!---a happy ending (long)

I posted the following cry for help several digests ago:

> This is an emergency for me.
>
> For some strange reason, since this morning, when I startup
> my SE/30 I get the dialog that reads (roughly) `This disc
> is unreadle; do you want to initialize.'  The icon in the
> dialog box seems to indicate that the disc referred to is
> an external floppy, or something like that.  I don't have
> an external floppy drive.  Plus, pressing [Eject] removes
> the dialog box only temporarily, for it reappears almost
> immediately; and pressing [Initialize] gives me the message
> that reads (roughly) `Cannot initialize because disc is
> copy protected.'
>
> I can boot with a System 7.0.1 Disk Tools disc, and everything
> is fine (my internal and external drives mount OK); but I get
> the same troublesome dialog box if I try to boot with a System
> 7.0 Disk Tools disc.  Disk First Aid and Norton Utilities say
> that everything is OK, but that's clearly not true.  Note that
> pressing the [Drive] button in Disk First Aid, I am told that
> there is no external floppy drive connected; that's never
> happened before.
>
> I tried zapping the PRAM, but that didn't help.  Next I tried
> replacing the System file, but that didn't help, either.
> Finally, I reformatted my internal (boot) drive, and reinstalled
> the entire System, but even that didn't help.  The only way I am
> able to boot is from the System 7.0.1 Disk Tools disc.
>
> Any help you provide will be greatly appreciated.  Please let me
> know if you need more info to go on.  Presently, I'm just frazzled
> by the whole situation---most annoying, to say the very least.

First, let me thank all the kind folks who responded to my cry;
in particular,

  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]
  [e-mail]

(Please forgive me if I've missed you.)


Many folks pointed out that according to Larry Pina's _Dead_Mac_Scrolls_
my problem is a fried "network filter" chip on the motherboard.  The only
real cure for this is either to replace the chip, or to replace the
motherboard; my only option would have been the latter, which I can't
afford to do in the foreseeable future.

Others suggested plugging in an external floppy drive (after all, if
baby cries for milk, one should  give baby milk :-)   This seemed like
a better alternative to me since, if I had to blow a few hundred bucks
to fix the beast anyway, I might as well get the use of another floppy
drive in the process.

However, one person (Mark Nutter---big thank you!) offered to give me
instructions on using ResEdit to "neuter" the Disk Initialization Package.
What his hack does is, when the Mac hits the routine that's supposed to put
up that dialog prohivitive box, the hack immediately executes a Return from
Subroutine instruction, so the dialog never gets displayed.  According to
Mark, ``My SE runs a little slower, and won't initialize floppies any more,
but it runs.''  He also told me later that the hack's been working for him
for the last 3-1/2 years!

Well, I took Mark up on his offer; implemented his hack; and am now writing
you from my once disabled SE/30.  This has been a long post, so let me wrap
it up by saying two more things: 1. unlike Mark, I don't perceive any speed
degradation caused by the hack; 2. Mark has given me his permission to share
his secret recipe with others, so if you want his instructions for the hack,
just drop me a note.

Again, thanks to all who responded.

Cheerio!
--John.
J. B. THOO, Math Dept, Univ of California, Davis <[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93 09:23:16 +0300
From: [e-mail]
Subject: 2MB SIMMs in a IIci -- any problems

Hey!  I was just about to ask that question myself!
I currently have 8*1MB and wanted to move to 4*1MB and 4*2MB to bring me in
line with my current memory needs.  Buying 4*4MB would, of course, be
almost twice as expensive.

Bottom line....my Apple dealer says a thousand times 'no', they have had
only problems with the 2MB SIMMS and would not recommend them under any
circumstances.  They were going to try other sources for the SIMMS but as
of today....NO.

I am, of course, still interested in getting RELIABLE 2MB SIMMS, if anyone
out there knows something....

mike

Michael Silverstein
Materials Engineering, Technion

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93 02:33:32 PDT
From: Les Ferch <[e-mail]>
Subject: A few Sys. 7.2 suggestions... (C)

>I was thinking that for System 7.2, Apple should have the following
>Command Key combinations automatically installed like CMD. S, Q, etc...

>CMD. M for Alias,

Yes!

>CMD. R for Reset,

Only if it brings up a dialog with a Cancal and OK button (with OK
highlighted so you don't need a mouse to restart). I don't want to have to
pay for overshooting Cmd-F or Cmd-D by having my Mac restart.

>CMD. T for empty trash

Yes! Should be safe because the trash empty warning can be left on for
rookies.

>CMD. Z for Undo

Yes!

>Also, Apple should provide a System 7.2 Emergency repair boot disk along with
>the other system file disks.

Yes! A nice mini emergency system that leaves lots of free room on the
disk and boots fasssst! pleeeeeeease.

I'd also like to see Eject removed from the menu. Too many rookie Mac
users get themselves in trouble by using Eject instead of dragging their
disk to the trash. In seven years of using and supporting Macs, I've never
needed Eject. I find it far easier to copy files from one floppy to
another by using the hard disk in between rather than doing the floppy
shuffle.

Duplicate needs to be extended to support *one-pass* disk duplicating. We
shouldn't have to install DiskCopy of Dart to get decent disk copying.

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 11:34:58 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Brian V. Hughes)
Subject: Apple Centris 650 Memory SIMMs?

[e-mail] writes:

>Does the new Macintosh Centris 650 use those special funny-shaped memory
>SIMMs?
>Or can I stick my good ol' reliable ones in the simm slots?

    Nope. It uses the 72-pin SIMMs and not the older 30-pin SIMMs that
everyone was used to. This is also going to be the new "standard" for
all new Macs now. At least for all new destop Macs.

-Hades ([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 11:40:13 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Brian V. Hughes)
Subject: A question about the C650?

Gordon Werner ([e-mail]) writes:

>Does the Centris 650 have the same problems with its cache switch that the
>Quadra 700 and 900 had with their '040 processors when they were released?

    To what problem are you refering? If you mean the problem that was
caused by people who did properly follow Apple's Programming Guidelines,
and therefore woudl not properly function with the copy-back cache
feature of the '040 chip, then yes these programs will still not work
with the copy-back cahce of the '040 in the C650, since this is the same
'040 used in the Q700 and the Q900. These programs will also not work
with the Q800, Q950 or C610, all of which also use '040 chips.

>or have all of the problems been fixed either with Sys. 7.1 and/or new design
>technology.

    Not possible. There are no problems with the '040 chip itself. It is
the same old problem of developers thinking that they know what is
better for the Mac than Apple does. So they don't follow the Programming
or Human Interface Guidelines, and when Apple changes something, or uses
something that shouldn't be in use, these programs crash. This is
generaly known as Microsoft Syndrome.

-Hades ([e-mail])

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93 9:04:02 GMT
From: P Browning <[e-mail]>
Subject: Arabic Word Processors (Q)

Can anybody point me to a word processor that will
handle Arabic on the Mac? I will summarise for the
net.

Thanks in advance.

Paul Browning
Dept of Geology
University of Bristol, UK

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 12:47 EDT
From: Dr.Peter T. Boag <[e-mail]>
Subject: BRIDGE by Artworx - Experience???

Is  anyone familiar with this software? I know little of bridge
the game and nothing of BRIDGE the software. Would a decent bridge
player with a MAC but short on regular partners get a kick out of
this package? Thanx.

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93 20:07:33 EDT
From: [e-mail] (Brad Ackerman)
Subject: c.s.m.announce archive--where? (Q)

Where can I find an ftp archive of comp.sys.mac.announce?

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 09:48 PDT
From: "RGB Technology, Inc/703-834-1500" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Can't we keep it clean?

In INFO-MAC V11, #87 (Apr 23), Nick Rothwell <[e-mail]>
writes about the Outbound vs. Powerbook:

> Excuse me, but you're logic's f*cked. Just because...

Gee, hard to figure out what the "*" stands for.
How about keeping things a bit more civilized, friendly, clean, etc?

-Steve Satre

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93 06:13:46 PDT
From: [e-mail] (David Herren)
Subject: CD-ROM as audio CD players

> >I want to link an apple cd player to a HI-Fi amplifier. Do someone
> >know how an CD ROM player (audio mode) compares versus a 'normal' cd
> >player . What about the new POWERCD?
>
> CD-ROM players are not of audiophile quality when used to play audio
> CDs. They generally have much lower signal-to-noise ratio than audio
> CD players. I don't have the specs for the PowerCD (which hasn't been
> released yet) but I suspect it has the same problem (it's just
> another CD-ROM player with some additional capability).
>
> Tony Huang [e-mail]


I may not be a true audiophile--I've only got a $3000 stereo which is quite
modest by audiophile standards, but I don't agree with the above
assessment. The signal to noise ratios of CD-ROM drives may be marginally
lower, but I seriously doubt that more than a handful of raving audiophiles
could hear any differences in a truly blind test. Most home audio CD units
would, I suspect, fall in to the $200-$300 range (some my argue that those
figures are too high), and I suspect that is what the original poster was
refering to by "normal" cd player. In that price range, the quality of the
sound is indistinguishable IMHO. Once one gets in to the $500-$1500 range
for CD audio players, particularly the very nice tube based units, then
certainly one who listened VERY critically could hear differences.

-David
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 02:05:23 PDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: CD-ROM player vs. Audio CD player (c)

>Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 01:28:48 -0500
>From: [e-mail] (Tony Huang)
>
>CD-ROM players are not of audiophile quality when used to play audio CDs.
>They generally have much lower signal-to-noise ratio than audio CD players.

I suppose then that it must be the process of reducing the audio quality of
CD-ROM players that causes them to cost 5 times as much as an audio CD
player.

/Paul Gloger  <[e-mail]>

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 16:23:00 -0700 (PDT)
From: Guy Kuo <[e-mail]>
Subject: Color Inkjet Refill Works

I have successfully refilled a HP DeskWriter-C/550C color inkjet
cartridge. I've been refilling the black cartridge for years without
difficulty. Now I can print with color without constantly worrying about
the expensive color cartridges. Waterproof inkjet ink in cyan, magenta,
and yellow was obtained in 2 oz bottles from Computer Friends. With
shipping, it came to $42.50. They also have it in pint bottles.
Their number is 1-800-547-3303

Procedure was to cut the top of the green handle off with a hacksaw. This
was amazingly easy. Just hack off the top 2 mm of the green part. Inside
you will see the clear plastic top which lies at the level where the black
and green portions of the case come together. There are three holes, each
leads to the ink sponge of one primary color. Inject 2-3 cc of ink of the
apppropriate color into each hole. Seal with some plastic tape. Just don't
overfill or you will have a mess of ink dripping out the nozzles. If that
happens, let it blot for several minutes onto a clean paper towel. If you can
see ink welling up through the nozzles spontaneously, there is too much ink.
If there is too much ink, the nozzles can't fire through the drop of ink
hanging off the cartridge and pretty soon ink is spalttered all over the
place. I used to have that problem with the black ink as well.

Anyway, I'm very pleased with the color ink. Just one refill has already
paid for the ink, and most black cartridges lasted a good 7-8 refills if
I never let them run completely dry.

[e-mail]

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Date: 6 May 93 23:42:42 EDT
From: [e-mail] (David M. Tillinghast)
Subject: E-mail directory

Does anyone know how I might find out if there is an E-mail connection to the
University of Asmara, in Eritria?

It's fairly important that I contact someone at that institution, but I don't
know how to go about querying about addresses.

Thank you,
-tig
(send mail to [in order of preference]
[e-mail],
[e-mail],
[e-mail],
[e-mail]
and [phone] for people with voices.)

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Date: Fri, 07 May 93 20:37:47 EDT
From: "Allan M. Bloom" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ethernetlet (No flame)

No, I am not going to talk about FOCUS' installer. I stumbled into a
pissing contest. I can excrete as well as the next person, but I prefer
not to compete in that mode. That topic is dead. No mas! I surrender!

But several of y'all (second person plural, Southern) asked that I inform
the group about progress on the home ethernetlet.

Leslye about threw a fit this morning when she tried to print one of her
favorite files. Took her a while to finger out that my Mac was off. No
way she could even find a printer when both were hooked to my Mac via
the borrowed Sonic LaserBridge. Blessedly she had enough other things on
her mind that she didn't throw a fire bomb through my office window. She
just fired up my Mac and continued the mission.

The AsantePrint I ordered (Thanks to all who pointed me to that product)
came after lunch. This evening I plugged our two localtalk printers into
it. Super! No problem, mon! All that stuff. It *does* need to be checked
to see that the active port (thick/thin in this case) switch is pointed
in the right direction (Dayna's EtherPrint 2.0 is not supposed to need
that step, but it isn't shipping, either), but that is it. If divorce is
on the horizon, I won't be able to blame it on AsantePrint. On my
disgustingly cute and bright work study student? Another matter.

Al Bloom, Virginia Tech

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Date: 07 May 1993 07:15:56 +0100 (MET)
From: HANS KROEGER <[e-mail]>
Subject: Ethernet Problem w/ PowerBook Duos

On MACNET-L Jeff Luck reported the following problem with PowerBook Duos
on Ethernet:

>There is a problem with the System software (7.1) delivered on the PowerBook
>Duos when it is connected to ethernet.  The problem causes the Duos to
>send ethernet broadcasts onto a network every 8-10 seconds:  this results
>in a very high collision rate on the network and degrades network
>performance.
>The solution to this problem is to move the AutoRemounter Control Panel into
>the trash, delete it, and reboot the Duo.  There is a known bug in this
>Control Panel and it should be fixed in the next release of System 7.

Question: Can someone confirm the recommended action ?

Hans Kroeger
[e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93 11:31:41 JST
From: [e-mail] (Paul Fons)
Subject: Fax number of ADPA (Q)

Can anyone provide the fax number of ADPA (US).  Thanks.

                [e-mail]

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 09:25:00 +0000
From: "Bob (R.B.) Summers" <[e-mail]>
Subject: Home printers: color or B/W?  (summary)

A while back I posted a request for comments on whether I should get a
color printer.  My budget really limited the choices to the HP line of
inkjet printers, the stylewriter II, or cheap laser printers.  Many
thanks to all those who responded.  I've summarized the comments
below.  (Hope I didn't miss anybody).

The only concensus from the responses is that most people are
generally happy about their HP printer.  The one dissent is about the
HP drivers.  I've been seeing more noise on the net about this lately.

In case you're wondering, procrastination has won again.  It seems
that the kids are finished their school projects for the year, so I
have until the fall to bite the bullet.  I'm leaning toward the HP
Deswriter (B/W), but I'll watch the posts about the driver problems.
I just saw an advert last night for a new HP laser for under $1000.
I'll watch for good deals on all these printers  in the next 2-3
months.

Thanks again.


SUMMARY FOLLOWS:

----
We have both a (4 year old) 500 and a (6 mo. old) 550C.  Our
girls (7 and 10) use color for KidPix pictures (i.e., just for fun,
but they make all their own birthday invitations, thank-you notes,
etc.).  My wife and I have both found use for occasionally using the
color:  color-coded binder labels, red debit entries on school
association treasurer's reports, and for making buttons (we have one
of those make your own button gizmo's).

My wife finds that the 550C is NOT as good for her Desktop publishing
efforts (can't explain why, except that the print mechanism has TWO
cartridges to slew back and forth instead of one, which may make it
slightly less accurate).

----
I would recommend getting the HP Deskwriter C unless you can
afford to go with a Laserwriter. The DW 550C is better and gives
better black during color printing.

Color is a hard question and $200 Can additional price can easily make
you reject the purchase. First, you don't need color. There I said it.
It hurt, but I said it.   BUT... color can make a big difference. What
about greeting cards being made for the family. Color really adds that
special touch to help one get out of the doghouse. What about school
reports or science fair projects.

----
I always recommend that people get what they need and what they
can forseeably need.  As you can think of a possible use for color,
save the money for the girls' college fund.

I have the DW-C and am very happy with it.  The main purpose for which
I got color is to prepare overhead transparencies for paper
presentations.

----
We have used a DeskWriter 500C for about a year now. You may not
feel you need color, but the quality of output from our HP is
outstanding. This is an excellent technology at a reasonable price.
Even after a year of use, I continue to be impressed with the design
and implementation of this printer.

----
I bought the 500C, "just in case I needed color". It seemed like
a good idea, and I definitely couldn't justify the cost of the 550C.
But I've found I hardly _ever_ use color.

----
Have you considered an *relatively* inexpensive Postscript printer
such as the GCC BLP Elite ? I bought one about 18 months ago and have
been extremely happy with it. I've seen the street price as low as
$1100

----
I have a Deskwriter 500 C at work, and I feel that I have to warn
you that HP printer drivers are *buggy*: they use a lot of memory
which they don't always cleanly release (see recent postings on
Info-Mac), and I had a couple of not-so-complicated color pictures
(vector drawings -- I use colour for presentation purposes) that don't
come out right (some objects don't come out at all, some print at
wrong places).

The Stylewriter II may not be much better than the HP as far as
hardware is concerned, but the driver is just great (and it works!).

----
I love my (original) deskwriter!

The deskwriter C is, in my humble opinion, a false economy.  You
really should eliminate it from consideration.  You would immediately
be unhappy with the blacks on the page, and you would always wish that
you had sprung for a 550c.

----
I have used an HP Deskwriter for the past couple of years and I
like it very much. It is fast, quiet, and reliable. We've been using
one in our undergraduate computer lab at the university for the past
couple of years and have printed thousands of pages without a problem.

----
IMHO the 500 is your best bet. I've had one at work that's been
networked for3 or 4 Macs and is probably way above the  estimated
death time for the engine after 3 years. I also have one at home that
should last forever and never disappoints me. I looked at the color
model too, when I was about to buy my home model, but came up with no
answers to the questions you ask. And my kids are younger.

----
AND from an 'unbiased' :-) HP employee...

...if you can afford color, it's probably a worthwhile investment.
There are many color illustration programs available, not to mention
programs like PhotoShop.

***** HECK, ED, Photoshop costs more than the printer :-) *****

END SUMMARY

Bob Summers  ([e-mail])
Bell-Northern Research / Northern Telecom Ltd
Ottawa, Canada

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93 14:57:31 +0100
From: Mr Gordon S Byron <[e-mail]>
Subject: HyperCard->network

Does anybody have any experience of using HyperCard over the network?
I would like to do so for a learning program and could use some advice
thanks gordon

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 15:58:02 GMT
From: [e-mail] ()
Subject: INFO on QUICKTIME, please

Can anyone give me a quick rundown on how you use QuickTime.  I think I need
to find out more about it in order to upgrade a set of HyperCard stacks I've
deleloped  that teach Norwegian.  A few very basic questions:

What equipment and software do I need to develop and run QT movies.

If I need third part development tools, what do you recommend.

How effective are the movies in getting your points across, or are the
movies gimmicks that soon lose their appeal?

Do I need special licenses from Apple to use my developed products?

I see in the ADPA "Tools for developers" Feb '93, a product called "Windows
Software Development Kit."  Any comments from people who have used this?

Thanks for any advice or information.
Louis Janus
The University of Minnesota

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 05:34:51 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Aaron L Dickey)
Subject: Limbaugh.hqx (a proposal)

[e-mail] writes:

>The submission of Clinton.hqx suggested another application that I
>don't have time to write but feel free to use the idea.

>Limbaugh 0.0 is a startup application.  When it is running you will hear
>the voice of Rush Limbaugh ranting and raving, bitching and moaning,
>non-stop except for a 24-hour pause every four years on the first
>Tuesday in November.  If a republican is elected, the program displays
>and American flag, plays a selection of patriotic music, then goes to
>sleep for four years.  Caution, until the earlier Bush, Limbaugh has
>no Quit option.

You know, I was under the impression that Info-Mac was for the discussion
of the Macintosh.  There are DOZENS of mailing lists and newsgroups in
which people can spew political intolerance; Info-Mac isn't one of them.
Can we take the politics elsewhere, please?

--Aaron

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Date: Fri, 07 May 1993 11:58:40 CST
From: Chris Culy <[e-mail]>
Subject: LOGO for the Mac (R)

[I couldn't reach the poster.]

There is a free version from an ftp site at UC Berkeley. The name of the
package is ucblogo. Since there are versions for DOS and UNIX as well,
an archie search would help you get the Mac name exactly.

One warning: it does not do all of the graphics.

Hope this helps.

Sincerely,

Chris
[e-mail]

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 23:49 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: MacLink Plus file conversions

Doug, and everyone else,
MacLink Plus conversions is at Sumex-aim.stanford\reports directory, or was
back in February.  I don't know if they empty their archives.  If you can't
find it there, I can post one up around the 14th of May.
Sincerely, ABRODY @ CLARKU

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93  12:42 GMT
From: Big Nose <[e-mail]>
Subject: Macsbug (Q)

Whats the latest version of MacsBug and where can I get it from ?

Cheers,

Andy Law

( LAWA @ IAPE.AFRC.AC.UK                      Big Nose in Edinburgh )

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Date: Fri, 07 May 93 12:56:04 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacSecure is not Secure

No, I'm not complaining about MacSecure, just clarifying that there
are two entities where some of us thought there was only one. As I
recall, we got off on this because someone asked about a program
called MacSecure, and a couple of us took him/her to be talking
about Secure, the encryptor CPS dropped from MacTools 2.

Turns out that there's another program called MacSecure. As far as I
can gather, it's a fancier version of At Ease. It comes from Learning
Performance, 612-854-2730.  List $100.

Graeme Forbes

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Date: 7 May 1993 13:51:24 -0500
From: "Tom Scott" <[e-mail]>
Subject: MacTCP problems with new Ma

     MacTCP problems with new Macs?
I've had some MacTCP problems with a couple of the new Macs that come with the
System Enablers (specifically a Centris 610 and an LC III).  I'm aware of a
problem on the 610 (but haven't observed it yet) and have experienced the
problem on the LC III.  It manifests itself when I open the MacTCP control
panel, no LocalTalk icon shows up in the MacTCP dialog.  I can configure it
the
normal way, but programs that use MacTCP (one Cornell-develped terminal
emulation program called Comet, in particular) cannot connect to the host
because of a MacTCP error, stating that it wasn't loaded or configured
properly.  The situation on the Centris I haven't had a chance to check out
yet, but it sounds similar (according to symptoms told me over the phone by
the
Centris user).

Any ideas on this?  Both machines are running System 7.1 and using MacTCP
1.1.
The LC III has only a handful of extensions/control panels besides the
Apple-sanctioned ones (MacTCP, QuickMail INIT, Retrospect Remote CP,
Disinfectant 3.2 INIT).  The absence of the LocalTalk icon in the MacTCP
window
really makes me wonder.  I've never seen this before, and it's strange that
it's happening on two of the new "System Enabler"-ized Macs.

Please respond back to me directly.  I'm cross-posting to several lists in
order to resolve this as quickly as possible.  Thanks!!    :-)

Thomas Scott, Systems Manager, College of Engineering
Cornell University, Carpenter Hall Annex, Ithaca, NY  14853

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 21:56:36 -0500
From: [e-mail] (Jeffrey A. Silber)
Subject: MacTCP problems with new Ma

Try running MACTCP 1.1.1 with System 7.1.  When you switch that you'll get
your LocalTalk icon back (I did on our IIvx's with 7.1).

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Date: Thu, 6 May 1993 22:26:35 -0800
From: [e-mail] (Dieder B.)
Subject: MacTools Secure 1.2

>
>Secure was in MacTools Deluxe but got dropped from MacTools 2, to my
>irritation. If you're running System 7 you need version 1.2 - if yours
>is an older version they'll upgrade it for the cost of mailing it. I
>don't believe they'll sell it to you if you don't already own a version,
>but you can always ask.
>


If my memory serves me correctly, there is a version of MacTools available
on mac.archive.umich.edu. Complete version at that...compacted and ready to
go...all you need is compactor, and the decryption program which you
already have....check the indices over at umich for its exact location....

Just my $0.04 worth,

Dieder

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Date: 8 May 1993 04:55:54 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Steven Hodas)
Subject: MHS mail client needed (Q)

Does anyone know of an MHS mail client for the Mac, hopefully not too
expensive? I know I can use CompuServe but the people I need to mail to
don't poll it frequently enough.

Thanks,

Steven

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 07 May 93 12:39:41 CDT
From: Graeme Forbes <[e-mail]>
Subject: NeXT-style Application Doc (A)

More details about Finder Palette. Roger Beecher no longer supports it
as shareware, but tells me it's now part of the commercial program
Public Utilities (Fifth Generation Systems) and has been renamed
Launch Pad.

Incidentally, he didn't cash my shareware check, which was thoughtful.
Still, he should have - I get a lot of mileage out of Finder Palette
which is still available on line as shareware. I think $20 is reasonable
for the program alone.

Graeme Forbes

------------------------------

Date: Fri,  7 May 1993 10:05 CST
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: Nisus Demo

Does anyone know the whereabouts of a demo version of the word processor,
Nisus?  Thanks.

Steve Waechter
swaechter@utmem2 (bitnet)
[e-mail] (internet)

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Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 22:13 EST
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Portable Screen (Q)

Dear Netters,
I have always wished the LC was a powerbook with 256 colors.
Has anyone made a screen that weighs 10 lbs or less and costs less than $500
with 256 colors, and of course uses the built in video support of the LC with
no additional adapters?   I have heard of a B & W screen portable with the LCs
motherboard made by a company in Colorado 2 years ago, but no color screens.
At 8.8 pounds the CPU box of the LC always seems to be begging to become a
portable.  If it has been made, where can I buy it.  This is specifically
about the LC/I, though it could also apply to the LC/II or III.
Thank you.

Sincerely,

ABRODY @ CLARKU

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Date: Fri, 7 May 93 14:49:04 -0700
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Punjabi font source(s)?

Can anyone point me at a Punjabi font for the Mac?

I've blithely agreed to help a friend of mine put together a tri-lingual
brochure (English/Chinese/Punjabi) on my Mac, and am only now beginning to
realize that there are obstacles... :-)

Some kind of PostScript font would be best, of course, but even a screen
font would be a start that would allow me to experiment a bit (...not
knowing the language mights slow down the experimentation as well!)

Thanks for any and all assistance/information.

...Michael Hayward      Himie Koshevoy Publishing Lab
   [e-mail]       Simon Fraser University at Harbour Centre

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 May 93 14:07:54 MDT
From: [e-mail] (Stephen C. Harmony)
Subject: Racal InterLan EtherTalk driver for System 7.0 (A)

> Do any one know where can I find/download Racal InterLan EtherTalk
> driver for System 7?

As far as I know, there's no place to download it, but I know how you can
get it. Just call Racal InterLan at 508-263-9929 and ask them for a copy. I
did this not too long ago and they mailed it right out.

Steve Harmony
Los Alamos, NM

ps. Please don't ask me to e-mail you a copy. Like everything else today,
it's protected by copyright and a shrink-wrap license.

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 May 1993 11:59:18 -0400
From: [e-mail] (Brian V. Hughes)
Subject: SIMM chips (C)

[e-mail] (Adam C. Engst) wites:

>>     2   x  4 Mbit   =  1 MByte  (Has anyone made a SIMM this way??)

>I think I've seen some of these.

    I have some of these installed in a Classic II and an LC in my
office. They work great.

>>    16   x  4 Mbit   =  8 MByte

>I've been told that these guys use a "double bank" of 4 Mb chips,
>so you essentially get two 4 MB SIMMs on one SIMM card.

    Essentially, but the computer looks at this and sees it as an 8MB
SIMM and not as two 4MB SIMMs even though this is how it is configured.

>It's a non-composite SIMM because of that. This may not apply to the
>older 30-pin SIMMs.

    Nope. It doesn't apply to the 30-pin SIMMs.

>>     8   x  8 Mbit   =  8 MByte  (Is there a 8 Mbit chip??)

>I don't believe so.

    Actually, there is, it just isn't used by anyone, and is therefore
very expensive to use. These are the chips used in the 30-pin version of
the 8MB SIMM, I think.

>>    32   x  4 Mbit   = 16 MByte

>That's a composite SIMM.

    Yup. And these are also the only composite SIMMs that exist. The
problem is that just about every memory maker around is using this type
of 16MB SIMM. Mostly because it costs about 2-3 times less than
constructing an actual 16MB 72-pin SIMM. See below. One other little
tidbit ;-> about composite 72-PIN SIMMs that people might like to know
is that they are generally too big to correctly sit on the motherboard
of the C650 and especially the Q800 with it's side-mounted design and
limited space.

>>     8   x 16 Mbit   = 16 MByte

>I don't believe this exists.

    Yes, it does. This is the non-composite 16MB 72-pin SIMM that can
actually be used in the Q800 without causing it to die on you.

>>    16   x 16 Mbit   = 32 MByte

>This is correct for a 32 MB SIMM, but you're missing the non-composite
>16 MB SIMM, which, as I understand it, is 8 x 16 Mb, or actually half
>of a a 32 MB SIMM.

    Right. That is the SIMM that he talks about directly above this one.
8 x 16 Mbit, which is half of 16 x 16 Mbit.

>It sounds like the 32 MB SIMMs use the same double bank scheme as the 8
>MB SIMMs, so if you remove half the chips, you get a 16 MB SIMM.

    Yup.

>>     8   x 32 Mbit   = 32 MByte  (Is there a 32 Mbit chip)

>Not in production as I understand it.

    I haven't heard of this either.

>Other than the non-composite 16 MB SIMM, I think you've got most of
>the important ones.

    As I pointed out above, he does have the non-composite 16MB SIMM in
the list above.

>When you finish with this, please send me a copy and I'll put it in
>TidBITS as part of a followup on our Quadra 800 RAM Quirks article.

    Good idea. There are still a lot of confused people out there. It is
also a little known fact that if you use 70ns or 60ns 16MB composite
SIMMs in the C650, the timing problem will most likely go away. This is
due to the fact that the SIMM is actually working at a speed faster than
the 80ns that the C650 needs, andbecause of this the timing is generally
ok. This is from Dale Adams in a post he made yesterday to
comp.sys.mac.hardware, and in any even use of composite SIMMs is in no
way sanctioned or recommended by me, Apple, or anyone else I've talked
to. Of course since the Q800 need 60ns and no one has made 50ns or 40ns
chips yet...

>It took me a long time to figure out what little I know about these
>things, and such a chart would be a good reference in the future (at
>least for me, if you don't save TidBITS issues it won't do you any good.

    Note: this can also be seen as a plug for Easy View which is the
best TidBITS archiver/reader I have seen. If you read TidBITS on a
regular basis you need Easy View.

-Hades ([e-mail])

------------------------------

Date: Sat, 8 May 1993 01:37:05 +0200
From: [e-mail] (Robert Geisler)
Subject: TCP/IP (C)

Adam C. Engst writes:

> Don't worry about them - they are the protocols that the Internet
> runs on. Programs like Gopher and Fetch require those protocols be
> available on your Mac (via MacTCP from Apple).

I'd like to add that Gopher is not a program, either. Gopher and FTP are
competing Internet protocols for file transfer. (IMHO, Gopher is generally
easier to use. It also offers searches and gateways to other Internet
services.)
Gopher client programs for the Macintosh are TurboGopher and GopherApp.
Fetch *is* an FTP client.

Robert Geisler

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Date: Sat, 8 May 93 02:28 CDT
From: [e-mail]
Subject: Toner cartridge quality

Is there a difference in the quality of printed halftones depending upon the
brand of laser toner cartridge? There sure is!

When I bought my LaserWriter IIg, it came with an Apple branded toner
cartridge. When it ran out, I replaced it with a HP branded toner cartridge.
I noticed the print quality of halftoned photos didn't look as good. So, I
bought an Apple branded cartridge to see if the good quality returned to
"normal." It did.

The print quality is NOT minor. There is a dramatic difference.

Just thought I'd mention this in case some of you are using an HP branded
cartridge, not realizing there is a difference.

Has anyone else experienced this?

Jay
[e-mail]

------------------------------

Date: Fri, 7 May 93 07:18 EDT
From: <[e-mail]>
Subject: venic truetype font

For those looking for a truetype version of the bitmap venice font:

try info-mac/font/tt/genoa.hqx

Jim Clark
UT Martin

------------------------------

Date: Thu, 06 May 93 19:13:29 EST
From: GBRILLON@UDESVM

Hi,

  I begin in Macintosh programming with THINK C. I want to display a message
in the Open dialog box of the system: like "Please open an application". With
the old files specs, I know it's possible (function FSGetFile or someting like
that). With the new System 7 function (StandardGetFile) the process isn't the
same.

  Is someone of you know how to do that? Do I have to make a filterProc to
display this message?

 Unfortunatly, I don't have the new Inside Mac books with me. Can someone help
me?  Please respond directly by email. Thanks a lot!

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